Comical Memes Marvel Fans Created That Would Certainly Make Us Laugh

There are 22 amazing films created by the Marvel Cinematic Universe that we can’t stop watching. And it also brought with it, apart from the movies, a wide variety of meme material that we could use to joke about Marvel movies and just about everything else. Below is a collection on the internet of the funniest Marvel memes out there. Get ready to laugh and enjoy it!

Marvel vs. DC

So, which one of these two, Marvel or DC, is better? Although our approach is that we can’t help but recognize the difference in styles between the two comic universes (although we think there is an obvious correct answer) for each of their own.

While the Marvel Cinematic Universe is lighter in tone, DC movies take a more serious note in their approach. We’re sure both studios will get along just fine, but we’re not sure anymore after seeing this.

The ultimate upgrade

Tony Stark has constantly been working and upgrading his Iron Man suits ever since Iron Man 1. In preparation for the next battle, he always looks for ways to improve and fix his armors. We can’t help but admire him more.

Every mark brought major improvements, from regular armor to suitcase armor, mind-controlled armor, and finally, nano-tech armor. We discovered, however, the final and best Iron Man armor, which is Mark Ruffalo, obviously, and he also comes complete with a Hulkbuster.

Make this happen

We can all agree that one of Captain America: Civil War’s best moments was the battle at the airport. The fight between Spider-Man and the duo of Bucky and Falcon, more specifically. During the battle, their back and forth banter was hilarious and provided levity.

We would very much like to see this exchange brought to the big screen as soon as possible, now that Falcon has become Captain America, as he did in the comics.

The new monument

Be sure not to miss the rear end of Captain America when scheduling your next American road trip. The joke made famous in Avengers by Ant-Man during his time heist with Tony Stark: for all eternity, Endgame has cemented itself in pop culture.

Iron Man remembers Captain America’s Avengers suit in the scene, stating that he forgot how flattering Cap’s rear end was. Then, Ant-Man salutes the rear end of Captain America, and the rest is history.

Captain America – Super spy

On so many levels, this joke works. Well, first of all, the obvious joke – Peggy is just minding her own business, totally unaware that her long lost love is staring right at the through the blinds in the wall.

John Krasinski actually auditioned to play Captain America and almost got the role before Chris Evans. Captain America – Superspy. While we think Chris did a Marvelous job (pun intended), John could have worked just as well here, staring through the blinds.

The worst year ever

If we can agree on one thing, 2020 will go down as the worst year of all. Think about it – this year had it all. No one can convince us otherwise. We just hope that everything will start to be all right after this year.

This is why this year was the worst; well, first, it tried to burn us with wildfires, then it almost started World War III, then the killer bees were a thing, and obviously, after all this time, the pandemic that ruined everything is still around. Looking back at 2019, that’s the best year ever compared to now.

Oops, I did it again.

This misunderstanding could have cost the life of Tony. Tony sees Dr. Strange holding up one finger as he looks over at him, meaning that Dr. Strange tells Stark that they are in the one timeline in which they won, and Tony has to do what he’s thinking.

Tony takes the Infinity Stones from Thanos, understanding that, and uses them to snap Thanos and his army away, giving his life in the process. But what if Dr. Strange meant, ‘Take one of the stones and use one against Thanos’? Well then, oops.

Deadpool: The Sequel

To recognize greatness, leave it to Ryan Reynolds. What started as an obvious joke by the Amazon film team, i.e., giving Deadpool 2 a super bland description, was quickly acknowledged by the film’s star and producer, Ryan Reynolds, who called them out for hilarious lack of effort, although the description is technically correct.

We’re pretty sure that, since he’s known for his great self-deprecating humor, he wouldn’t have it any other way.

Time-traveling Steve

It must be a fun experience for Steve Rogers to live through a history he already knows everything about. As he knows exactly how events will unfold, imagine all the things he could do.

As this joke here tells us, Captain America obviously knows exactly what is going on when Shield finds Thor’s hammer during Thor’s events and knows that if he wanted to, he could go to New Mexico and easily lift the Hammer that he is worthy of.

What was Wolverine thinking?

We all know how this goes: the X-Men must go up against Magneto, who has the plot to do horrible things. They fight, they lose, they win. Shocking. And yet, somehow, the fact that the X-Men’s most popular and beloved character literally does not stand a chance against their arch-nemesis is never brought up by anyone.

But then, miraculously, they manage to win every time. Guess we’ve got to stack up this one to the neverending charm of Hugh Jackman.

Superhero moment

All of us have been in this exact situation before – we’re on the bus, holding on to the railing or overhead anchors when the bus suddenly stops, and we’re pushed forward with full force.

For our dear life, we hold on to the anchor and somehow manage not to break into the front window of the bus. And while it feels like a tremendous achievement worthy of Captain America at the moment, we’re actually just hanging on a lightly moving bus, no big deal at all.

No excuses from Scarlet Witch

Poor Morgan Stark. The girl who loved her father 3,000 had to sit down and wonder why he didn’t come home. According to Kevin Feige, to make matters worse, he could have come home if Scarlet Witch had done what she was capable of.

The Marvel Producer stated that she could have taken Thanos on her own, which left Morgan angry over the fact that she didn’t, and as a result, her father passed away.

How time flies

This meme has the circle of life in college down to the letter. Everything is scary in the first year — we don’t know what’s going on, who’s who, what we’re doing, or where we’re going.

We slowly gain our strength by moving on to the second and third years as we find our footing, feeling better and better about the college experience. Then, as seniors, we can finally sit back and relax and just wait for it all to be over.

Thunder from down under

Marvel has a fair share of Chris’s. There’s more than enough Chris to get in between Chris Evans, Pratt, and Hemsworth. Don’t tell the first two, but we have a special place in our hearts reserved for the God of Thunder, Chris Hemsworth.

And it’s stuff like what we see here, with him laughing at his own dad joke as the thunder rumbles, that makes us love him so much more than we already do.

Excited Mark Ruffalo

Perhaps someone should tell Mark Ruffalo that he’s also a very famous actor. We mean, how excited he gets around his fellow co-stars is adorable, but come on, man, you’re the freaking Hulk; they should be excited to meet you.

However, these lovely pictures make us love the actor so much more, and he really seems like a very down to earth guy and a great guy all around. We wonder what happens when he and Tom Holland are together in a room.

Hypocrisy much?

When Tony Stark had the chance to meet his father, he came across a very uncertain, nervous, and frightened version of him. Howard Stark was about to have his first child, who he thinks he’s going to be named Almonzo (give it time, he’ll come around), and asked Tony about the right approach to raising his son he doesn’t know is right in front of him.

Tony tells Howard a very poignant truth that Howard had told him. That’s all nice and all, but the very fact that he’s talking to his father totally contradicts that exact sentiment.

Jailbreak

We all know how it feels to be the last person on our dodgeball team. The other team thinks they have the advantage, they’re getting ready to end us, but then-coach calls jailbreak, and our teammates come back to save the day. It’s us against the world.

Multiply that by a million now, and that’s how Captain America must have felt when the snapped heroes were brought back to life and joined Thanos ‘army in battle with him.

Nerfed Thanos

What is more frightening than the most powerful being in the universe with a gauntlet holding the six most powerful objects in the universe capable of, on a whim, changing reality itself? The same as the most powerful being in the universe, but obviously with a rotating sword.

As much as Thanos ‘Infinity War was scary with his Infinity Stones, Thanos battling with nothing but his sword against the Avengers in Endgame somehow fared better than his future counterpart.

With great power etc.

Uncle Ben is destined for the same fate in every Spider-Man film, assure that the Earth spins and the water is wet. We’re sure there’s never going to be an Uncle Ben that makes a Spider-Man movie come back to life.

As we have seen in the Marvel Cinematic Universe that never included Ben, even people other than Ben are not safe from this. Tony Stark, who filled the mentor that Uncle Ben usually does for Peter Parker, also shares the same fate as Ben.

Marvel’s Suicide Squad

This one is just too funny. But it also makes us think, how come no Marvel hero dies or loses a villain due to natural causes. If anything, all of them would have given their lives to save others.

Yondo died to save Star-Lord, Black Widow sacrificed herself for the Soul Stone, Quicksilver prevented Hawkeye from being hit by bullets, Groo saved Ronan’s entire team of guardians, and Iron Man sacrificed herself for the whole freaking universe.

So that was a lie

This one hits close to home. We didn’t pay close attention to every line and detail during our first viewing of Avengers: Endgame since there was so much to take in. And we could only handle so much pain.

That’s why it never registered in our minds that when Black Widow tells the rest of the team she’s going to see them in a minute, she’s going never to see them again, and we forgot the last thing she told them when they all got back from their time heist.

The embarrassing Avenger

Bruce Banner should, probably, avoid public life. He could, after all, lose control and turn into a giant green rage monster, but even worse is that he’s really embarrassing. Like, the most embarrassing.

By far, Bruce Banner was the most embarrassing Avenger to be around, whether he didn’t understand social situations or misread basic human interactions. But we must admit that it’s precisely that embarrassing charm that makes us love Bruce so much, so we don’t complain about it.

Missed opportunity

We’re certainly kicking ourselves that this idea has never become a reality. Sam walks over to the older man on the bench, turns around, and sees Stan Lee! Below is an image of what could have been executed.

This would have clarified why in every single Marvel movie Stan appears-he ‘s actually old Cap, just making sure his friends are doing well. This would also have brought the late and great comic creator’s cameos amazing closure and sent him off with a heartfelt nod.

Unlimited power

After seeing how humanity has let him down, Bill Gates is probably sitting somewhere, hanging his head in shame. The man was so excited to see what people will do in the future with technology only to see us squander it for some reason on nonsense like this-gender-swapping Marvel actors.

Although we have to admit that Tom Holland And Zendaya swap is probably one of the funniest things we’ve seen so far, at the same time, Chris and Scarlett are complementing their bodies. It’s amazing!

The bad stunt doubles

To say the least, Marvel’s Avengers is a pretty bad video game. The entire internet was in an uproar over the Costco brand, Avengers, when the first trailer was released.

This has led to quite a few funny jokes at the poorly designed avengers’ expense since they look nothing like they do in the movies and nothing like they look in the comics. This joke is probably the best of them all, comparing the Avengers video game with the movie’s stunt doubles.

The look says it a.ll

For his portrayal of Iron Man, we all praised Robert Downey Jr., but let’s take a moment to acknowledge the brilliant acting by Chris Evans that brought Captain America to life. Superb talent!

More than this moment in Avengers, nothing exemplifies Avengers: Endgame, when Captain America is overjoyed that they have won, and it is finally over, only to realize that Tony Stark gave his life to save the universe. One look says it all, and that is all that was needed in this case.

Um… what’s going on?

Thanos almost defeated Thor-he pinned him against Stormbreaker, about to finish him, when a suddenly-a hammer hits him from behind and returns to … Captain America! This Avengers: Endgame moment is probably the one that brought the crowd to erupt more than any other, up to this very moment with the satisfaction of a whole character arc building.

Thanos probably doesn’t understand the magnitude of what just happened only in the universe itself, so he’d be pretty confused if he heard the huge crowd.

Genius parenting there, Karen

Some parents need to understand that it doesn’t mean that it’s child friendly just because a movie is based on a comic book. That’s exactly what happened with the ‘Joker’ film, Batman’s arch-enemy’s extremely violent movie adaptation.

A meme of Eitri the Dwarf stating the obvious had to be used to explain the R-rating to parents to dumb down the fact that R-rated movies are rated R.

Why are you cheering

Over the years to come, the famous line ‘I am Iron Man’ cemented Tony Stark as a pop-culture legend. That’s why it’s no wonder that theatres worldwide erupted into violent cheers when he repeated the line during his final confrontation with Thanos.

What they didn’t know at the time, though, was that those would be the last words of Tony Stark, and he would pass on after snapping off Thanos and his army. What a way to go.

I am Elon Musk

Elon Musk is a polarizing figure for sure. The billionaire, a founder of SpaceX and Tesla, has attracted a great deal of attention and public support over his out-there antics.

While some see him as a cool dude all around and down to earth person, others may see him as a rich, self-centered person who fakes it for his fans and only cares about the dollar line really. Either way, we think this comparison of wonders is very fitting.

Spidey’s Transformation

‘You either die a hero or live, long enough to see yourself become the villain.’ That line might have been said in another franchise of films, which is in another universe of superheroes, but it holds here as well.

The similarities between Tobey Maguire and Willem Dafoe have never been noticed, but we can’t unsee them now that we do. After all, maybe the Green Goblin was right when he told Spider-Man that they’re not so different.

Gobble Gobble

On Thanksgiving, we can all easily relate to Ivan Venko. The villain of Iron Man 2 spent much of the film being weirdly passionate about his bird and insisting on having it close by him while working on building him for Justin Hammer; the Iron Man suits Hammer asked for.

And just as Venko wanted his bird in the movie, we also want our turkey to come over for Thanksgiving dinner, and we’re not going to shut up until we’ve got it.

I don’t think I will

At some point, we were all in this situation: we download a horror video game so that we can play something scary, and the game asks us to adjust the brightness of the screen to improve the experience of the game.

We just don’t really want to be scared, so we ignore the game’s request and keep playing as we want, so we don’t have to be scared. Old man Cap here clearly shares our feelings, as well.

Why does Bucky dirty like that

It feels very tragic when we look at Bucky’s story through the lens of this meme. A kid you grew up with in Brooklyn becomes a superhero, then you get abducted, and you become a super-assassin.

Then when you finally reconnect with your best friend, you’re replaced by a random guy he once met while running, and when you’ve saved the universe and finally got some quiet time, he gets up and leaves you to go live in the past, leaving his mantle to someone else—the disrespect.

Thanos did nothing wrong.

For a second, think about it, Ultron was born, spent five minutes online, saw the horrible things that humanity is capable of, and was like, “yup, these guys gotta go.” But he doesn’t get credited for being right somehow, whereas Thanos has garnered a following of people who claim he didn’t do anything wrong.

They both pretty much want the same thing once we get down to it, so when are we going to stand up and say it: Ultron did nothing wrong. But maybe he did…by doing nothing.

Classic Tom Holland

A lot of people love Tom Holland. He’s busy being the most adorable guy out there when he doesn’t accidentally spoil his next Marvel movie. As we can see here, since it was shot so close to his home in England, he was very excited to be filming the second film in his Spider-Man franchise.

What makes it funnier is that the film is called ‘far from home,’ and Tom just loved the irony of the whole situation. And he also seems to not get over that fact!

One side the Lebowski

In any Marvel movie, this is probably the biggest missed opportunity. For his pop culture panache and constant references, Tony Stark is known.  He called Eboni Ma Squidward, he called Thor Lebowski, and he called Rocket Racoon a build-a-bear.

Whether he knows so much pop culture, he still didn’t recognize that his father’s business partner looks very much like the person he referred to as Thor in the world.  What a mistake.

Spider-Manning in the pool

We can certainly relate to this one. It’s a fascinating time to be six years old, with a wild imagination. We can definitely relate to this experience then and honestly say that we’ve tried to hold onto the pool wells, feeling like our favorite wall-crawler.

It seems silly when looking back, but this meme definitely captures perfectly the ideas going through the mind of a six-year-old kid. This really takes us back.

Loki’s usual stunt

He can always use his old reliable trick and fake his own death whenever Loki needs a quick out. By now, he’s done it so many times that no one really buys his trick, especially not Thor.

By this point, he’s just biding his time if Thor sees Loki ‘die’ until Loki shows up again, alive and well, and plots his new scheme that is likely doomed to fail. Even Thanos knew Loki was calling, saying ‘no resurrection this time’ when he killed him.

The time stone on a silver platter

This one has messed a bit with our minds. A meme-ception or a meme within a meme is what we’re looking at here. One of the more questionable choices in Avengers: Infinity War was Dr. Strange handing over the Time Stone to Thanos.

Here we have Hulk’s classic Endgame moment, offering a Taco to Scott Lang as a parody of that crucial moment. If we could take one thing away from this joke, we’d really like to see what in real life a Dr. Strange Hulk combo would actually look like.

Recruitment time

We know that Nick Fury is up to no good at all. As everyone mourns the death of the savior of the universe, Nick is probably just in the background, watching all of them and contemplating which new heroes he can add to his new Avengers team.

And it’s also easy — they’re all there for him, like picking candy. Let’s hope all his schemes will work, and in the next movies, we’ll get an awesome new Avengers roster.

No respect from Bucky

Do you know that awkward moment when you show up for an occasion that’s totally underdressed, and you really feel bad about it? Now imagine that you’re coming to the funeral of the person whose parents you killed, underdressed—a pretty rough look.

That’s exactly the situation that Bucky found himself in during the funeral of Iron Man, where everyone, except for some reason, is wearing a suit and a tie. And to make matters even worse never again has it been addressed.

Post it now

We love Luis; we love his recaps in particular. We could listen to him summarize everything. When we learned that a video of Luis recapping the entire Marvel Cinematic universe exists somewhere out there, obviously, the first course of action we need to take is to demand the video’s release by Kevin Fiege.

So we can all bask in its glory (and every time a new Marvel movie comes out, and we want to catch up with ourselves, we don’t have to sit through 22 movies).

Flavortown’s hero

We could easily watch a two and a half hour movie of Guy Fieri fighting Thanos with the Flavor Stone. Just picture it: opening up, Thanos runs through Hell’s Kitchen and destroys it, Gordon Ramsey escapes and warns Guy Fieri.

Fieri takes the Flavor Stone and uses it against Thanos when he shows up on Hollywood Blvd. Fieri, with the Flavor Stone, with the Infinity Stones against Thanos, is a match we would very much like to see.

Watch out Doc

Uh oh, better be careful, Doctor Strange. Scarlett Witch is developing a pattern of things that happen to people she cares about, in case you haven’t noticed. First, during Avengers: Age of Ultron, her brother, whom she loves, tragically dies. Then, during Avengers: Infinity War, her beloved Vision is killed by Thanos.

The future does not look bright for Doctor Strange if this pattern continues since Scarlett Witch is confirmed to be making an appearance in his next feature outing. Good luck, Dr. Strange!

Sitting back and relaxing.

For a roundtable of different superheroes, all coming together to achieve a common goal, the Avengers series, and Infinity War, in particular, are notable. Everyone seems to be contributing something, but one character manages not to add all that much to the film.

Clint is basically just sitting back and observing everything from a distance during the Infinity War events. So much for being a player in a team. He is basically just becoming a member of the audience like us. However, we don’t really blame him. We’d rather watch than participate, too.

Is that bubble wrap?

In the Marvel universe, few characters are as beloved as Erik Killmonger in Black Panther. Even those who never saw the film seem to really love him. And that love is not necessarily based on what he’s actually doing … it’s based more on what he looks like. He’s a great looking man. There’s no argument whatsoever about that.

However, with his shirt off, the sight of him is a bit ruined by the fact that his skin looks like … well, like that. Is there a bubble wrap around his torso? Ah, well, we’re most unlikely to notice that.

Staring out the window endlessly.

Marvel movies’ coolest parts are that it really feels like they exist in their own universe. The movies are constantly referencing each other, and they even make subtle nods to obscure comic book installments that are likely to go over most people’s heads. For hardcore fans, these little easter eggs are super rewarding.

There’s a lot of meaning to some of them, and some of them don’t. But intentionally, these two scenes were shot to look the same. Is there any meaning? Likely not. But for a while, they’ve really been looking out that window.

The eyeliner intensity scale

Many superheroes basically represent the peak of the masculine ideal in the minds of most. This is interesting because they’re basically ripped guys in skin-tight clothes hanging out. Of course, we have no problem with that, but most macho dudes won’t be caught dead in their costumes these days. Even rock makeup, some superheroes! And it looks super cool, honestly.

If you’ve ever wondered if you rock too much eyeliner, just compare yourself to the two of them to make up your mind. Honestly, they would fit in with a black metal band from Norway. We dig the aesthetic.

The panini chin

Thanos is one of the most intense supervillains in superhero movies we’ve ever encountered. He’s got an utterly crazy amount of power, and he really is a terrifying foe. So naturally, the Internet has made a ton of memes about him. Actually, there’s not much of a joke here, but it’s more of an observation.

We’ve never realized that Thanos’ chin looks like a panini before, but now, when we see him from now on, we’re only going to be able to think of delicious, grilled sandwiches. Suddenly, he seems a lot less menacing.

He’s the chill one

For many reasons, The Avengers is a fun movie series, but we especially love watching the various heroes communicate. They all have unique personalities, and it’s a real treat to see how they get along with one another. For instance, we have the totally snarky Tony Stark, a couple of super-serious heroes, and then Bruce Banner.

Though you can tell from this image, compared to the other individuals, he will be saving the world; he normally has a more lackadaisical demeanor. He sure seems like he just woke up. Check that bed head.

A truly cryptic statement

Since Iron Man’s modern debut back in 2008, Tony Stark has become one of our favorite movie superheroes. He’s what we would want Elon Musk to be. A super suave rich guy who’s not afraid to use his intelligence to make other people look stupid.

His sarcasm is always hilarious, but it can cause some of the other characters to be confused by him. He tells Peter Parker in this scene not to do anything he’s not going to do. He also tells him, however, not to do anything he WOULD do. Hmm…

How Marvel fans see the world

The Marvel movies have become an enormous worldwide hit, and some obscure comic book heroes have been turned into regular pop culture icons. But there are some things that, even with Marvel’s newfound popularity, have not really changed. People will always be nerdy about the series and obsessive about it.

Even when they step outside the movie theater, true Marvel fans live in a Marvel mindset. Through a Marvel lens, they see everything in life. For example, what might look like two cats fighting with others looks like two cats having an EPIC fight to them.

Those are superheroes?

The new Marvel movies did a really great job of recontextualizing old heroes and bringing them into a modern world. Characters that were only really known by fans of comic books have become relatable heroes that everyone knows and loves.

However, the characters had to become a tiny bit less super and a tiny bit more like real people to make this happen. So if we take a step back, the crew might look like a group of suburban dads at a Halloween party all of a sudden. And what do you know? We kind of love that.

Get this man some Scooby Snacks.

Scooby-Doo is another classic franchise involving a crew of heroes (well, kind of) fighting against incredibly powerful bad guys (uh, sort of), even though it may not be as popular these days. As kids, we loved Scooby-Doo, so this feels like a meme that we’ve been waiting for all our lives.

We all know about the whole meme of “I don’t feel so good,” but this version of it featuring Shaggy is just utterly funny. The fact that they modified the line to read precisely in Shaggy’s voice is also pretty brilliant. To recover, he’s going to need some Scooby Snacks, we bet.

Patrick? Is that you?

He was mostly unknown to those who weren’t big fans of the Marvel universe before Thanos became one of the most widely recognized comic villains ever (thanks to Infinity War). Before the Infinity War, that was because he was stuck in cameo roles.

In earlier Marvel movies, astute fans would recognize the Infinity Gauntlet, but it was just a random glove for most others. So we can only imagine how happy Thanos was (and Thanos’ fans!) after Infinity War came along. Sidenote: we didn’t know that Patrick could look like Thanos that much. Costume idea for Halloween?

The Avengers meets The Room

The Avengers is an incredibly popular series of movies known for special high-budget effects, witty writing, smart moments, and all-star casts. The Room is a film known to have some of the worst writing of all time, lots of holes in the plot, and unbearable pacing. And what do these two have in common here?

Well, we guess that Loki kind of looks like The Room’s Tommy Wiseau. It’s kind of funny to imagine him speaking in Tommy’s trademark cadence. Maybe Tom Hiddleston, instead of James Franco, should have played Tommy Wiseau. It could have worked perfectly well.

The odd one out

We always assumed that Loki was the odd one out when comparing Thor to Loki. Thor was basically the most normal looking guy possible (apart from his godly physique), and at a moment’s notice, Loki seemed prepared to join My Chemical Romance. We had just assumed that he was an odd, goth brother.

But by NOT being goth, Thor turns out to be the strange one in the family! He may fit in at the local Planet Fitness, but Thor doesn’t really fit in with his siblings. Do we wonder if they’ll ever cuddle like the pets in the picture below?

Marvel dad jokes

Oh, what, did you think the Marvel cinematic universe was safe from dad jokes’ cringe-worthy tyranny? Think again. Here’s one of our absolute favorites. It brings up a good point. Given that the Hulk is just a giant banner (you know, Bruce Banner in the giant form), putting ads on him would make perfect sense.

Even though we’re not sure that the big green guy would be calm enough to put an ad on him for anyone to getaway. It would be difficult, at the very least, to do so and stay alive. After all, he’s the Hulk.

Too soon, man… too soon

Infinity War was a pretty bittersweet film for many individuals. It had its share of amazing and exciting moments, and the story was great, but without a second thought, it really just seemed to toss the characters away. Even if it was still one of our favorite superhero movies, the pain of watching it was real.

You’re left with an impressive tally of characters by the end of it, who have quite literally turned into dust. So here’s a chart that could help you pick out the movie’s favorite character. The choices are all somewhat identical, though.